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shame on you, martha coakley. >>. we start out with peter ors sog, director of the office of management and budget. you've got a big job. i'm going to ask you a big question. the american people are hurting right now. you're in charge of the budget. how do you use the budget to get the unemployment rate down from 10% while we're all still alive? >> well, two things. first, we need some additional job creation measures now. for example, the president put forward a new jobs and wages tax credit which will help spur hiring and wage increases among small businesses. we need to get the deficit down over time to make sure job creation can continue and private sector activity can expand. >> i've always wondered, since this administration took office, why you don't use the oldtime religion. get all the public works project that are all improved but haven't been funded, go to every
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state that wants a bridge that's below code, and a lot of them out there, and say go build them, go fix them. why don't you start with monahan station in new york. start building rapid rail from the big cities so we can catch up to the europeans. why don't we do big stuff in the federal government anymore like eisenhower did, like lincoln did? >> that's exactly what we are doing in the recovery act. there are billions and billions of dollars in transportation investments that will be -- that are building bridges and roads. with regard to high-speed rail, the recovery act included more than $7 billion in investments in high-speed rail in this budget, and continues that by providing another $1 billion. >> point one out to me. where can i go tonight and see rapid transit? where can i see bridges being built? roads being -- you don't see them. >> the department of transportation -- in fact, the president was down in florida last week making an announcement about these plans. this does take time to build the high-speed rail of the future,
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but it's still a good investment to make. >> i think we need more volume and activity and not just a pilot project to connect tampa to disneyland. >> they're not pilot projects. they're millions of dollars of investments in the future of our rail system. exactly what you're calling for. >> i want more. okay? >> okay. >> you're not going to make me happy. but that's not your job. it seems if you look at the new budget, it's got $3.8 billion in outlays. defense of veterans, homeland security, after you take out the entitlements, social security, medicare, medicaid, if you take out interest payments, you're left with about 10% of the budget that you can freeze, am i right? >> it's 14%, so a little north of that. continue. >> how do you restrict federal spending if you're only restricting 14% of it, its growth? how much are you really holding down on federal spending, if i
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said i'm only going to take one-seventh of my income and start spending less than that, people are going to say oh- >> that's not what we're doing. the freeze on nonsecurity discretionary spending will save $250 billion over ten years. that's only part of the $1.2 trillion in deficit reduction that is part of this budget. so look, we never said it was the end-all, be-all. it's an important step, but not the only step. >> you'll save about $25 billion a your? >> in that step, yes, an average of $25 billion a year. >> you'll save $25 billion a year on a $3.8 trillion budget? >> again, that is only part of the deficit reduction that we've put forward. we put forward more than $1 trillion in deficit reduction over the next decade. >> okay. let me ask you about how you make calculations. you've got a very tough job. i used to work on the budget committee. >> you used to work on o & b? >> from '77 to '78 '79.
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>> oh, yeah. >> and i got to be a speechwriter, which is a better job. let me ask you about this question. how do you deal with the threat that the chinese have a lot of our paper. we're borrowing a lot from abroad. what's the tipping point where we've just run too big a deficit for too long? we've got about 1.6 looking at us now, it was 1.2. how do we know nobody's going to buy our paper, we're going into debt, but we're going so far into debt, that people aren't buying our debt anymore. and that's when our dollar sh rirvgs. when do we reach the point of no return, or diminishing returns in terms of budget and deficit? >> we need to get ahead of that problem. right now, what's happening is private sector borrowing has collapsed. that's a big reason why despite these deficits, the ten-year treasury is yielding less than 4%. it's because treasury securities remain the safest in the world and investors are seeking that safety and security while other private boroing collapses.
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as the borrowing picks up, there will be upper pressure on treasury securities, and we need to get ahead of that. >> i hope we don't reach that point. >> i agree. >> we don't want to be where we can't borrow anymore. thank you, peter. you've got a tough job. well, now we're going to have fun here. republican congressman hencerling, turned out not to be a retreat, that the old annual deficits on republicans have become the monthly deficits to the democrat, that the president shot down. do you still argue, sir, that the monthly deficits of barack obama are equal to the republican annual deficits? >> well, that's not what i said. i said distribute deficits. chris, you've been in washington, only congress can pass spending bills. i've got a chart that shows it right here. if you take the 12 years that republicans were in control of congress, you had budget deficits of roughly $104 billion
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a year. i'm embarrassed about that. but in the three years that democrats have been in charge of congress, what you have is actually budget deficits that are approaching $1.1 trillion. so yes, by the assertion, maybe the president misunderstood me. otherwise he has his facts wrong. >> if you look at the deficit as it's grown over time. by the time this president took office, the fy 2010 budget was already up to 1.2. he's now calling for a budget deficit from 1.6. about a third increase per month. that's really what the increase has been under his watch, right? let's just talk about this president. well, chris, all the -- no, no, no. >> isn't that -- >> read the transcript, please, of what i said. you're switching my words. the congress is the one --
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>> let me ask you a fresh question. >> inherited from the democratic congress. he inherited it from the democrat congress. look at what happened at fy '09. look at what he does over ten years. what he proposes over ten years. although he wouldn't answer my question, or declined to answer it on friday, once again, we see his budget will triple the national debt over the next ten years, and frankly, it's just unacceptable. >> but, you know, it is true we inherited a $1.2 trillion deficit that's gone up to 1.6. that's really what he's inherited, right? >> well, again, if he inherited it, he inherited it from the democratic congress. the point is, are you going to make the situation worse or are you going to make it better? it triples the national debt in his proposed budget over ten years. he increases the size of government from roughly 20% of the economy in his butt window to 25% of the economy. that's the question i asked on
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friday and he declined to answer it. but today with the release of his budget, he does obviously answer the question and the answer is yes. you can't say i'm going to be fiscally responsible and do these kinds of things. you can't have it both ways. >> this blame game under president bush, i don't think the president was known for vetoing spending bills, was he, president bush? >> no, he wasn't. frankly, it's one of the reasons that republicans were let out of office. when it comes to spending, there's blame on my side of the aisle. i fought my own party leadership on these spending items. look at the record. i've introduced budget legislation to ensure that the cost of government, the federal budget doesn't grow faster than the family budget. i've actually written budgets in congress. but again, what was annual budget deficits under republicans have become monthly budget deficits under democrats. republicans are rank amateurs
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compared to democrats. >> we have a budget of about $3.8 billion in outlays by the president to date. once you take out medicare, medicaid, social security, interest payments, all the security issues, you're left with about 14% of the budget you can actually cut. if you get rid of basically -- we're looking at a pie chart here. you're familiar with it. once you get rid of that nonsecurity discretionary spending, get rid of all of it, you'd have to get rid of all of it to balance the budget, wouldn't you? >> well, chris, what you're going to ultimately have to do is reform entitlement spending for future generations. people who are retired, or soon to be on retirement, they need the same deal that they've counted on their whole life. but otherwise, you know, somebody's going to have to shoot straight with the american people. ultimately, what republicans will be proposing is, to some extent we want to make sure you have the same retirement plan and the same health care plan that your member of congress
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has. as you well know, that's the federal employee health benefit plan. the thrift savings plan. it's essentially a defined contribution. the only thing to keep us from bankrupting this economy and being the first generation in america's history to leave the next generation with a lower standard of living. as we all know, ultimately after reformed entitlement spending, the president steps backwards. he adds new entitlement programs and spending. he takes a bad situation, and makes it worse. that's one of the reasons we continue to have sluggish job growth in this economy. because people are wondering, how are we going to pay for all this debt? >> are you speaking for eric cantor and john boehner and the republican leadership, are you speaking for them when you say you want to restrict the growth of social security benefits? >> what i said was, everybody who's presently on -- i speak for nobody but jeb hensarling. what i said was, people
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presently on social security and medicare, they have to have it. those who are close to it. 55 and above. but those under 55, we have to start a transition to a new system that will save america from bankruptcy and a lower standard of living. i'm happy to say that. i believe they have said it. and, you know, i would hope that the president would want to lead on this. but instead, he says, well, what i'm going to do is freeze the budget. but he doesn't do it. >> so what it all comes down to, sir, after all this arguing and back and forth last friday up in baltimore, the difference between the republicans and democrats, between you, sir, and the democrats, is that you're willing to say on national television, as you are right now, you were willing to restrict growth in future social security benefits? you're willing to say for people who make less than 55 -- or people less than 55 years old, you would give them lower social security benefits than now projected? you would cut them? you're one to say that and they're not? that's the difference between you and them.
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>> i'm willing to say that that part of the social contract is going to have to be reengineered. listen, people under 55 know that the present system is going bankrupt. >> this is why people don't trust politicians, including you, sir. reengineer, reform. you mean cut social security benefits as a way of balancing the budget. that's what you just said three times. do you want to say it a fourth time? >> no, no, no, no. >> reengineering, reform, what's your next word going to be? >> if you would look ultimately, ultimately i believe you can get better health care and better retirement security if you go to a defined contribution plan. we had this debate in social security a few years ago. now, ultimately we weren't victor use. there will be a transition. if you want to say that those under 55, as a transition, are they going to get the same deal as their parents? probably not. but the question is --
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>> probably not. so you're probably going to cut social security benefits and future benefits and you're going to privatize the plan? >> what will happen then is that your children won't be able to go to college. your children won't be able to have the same opportunities that you had. now, what the big difference is here, chris, is the democrats are proposing to triple the national debt over the next ten years. you cannot bail out, borrow, and spend your way into economic prosperity. that's why we continue to be mired under 10% unemployment in this economy. and the president keeps spending at historical levels. steny hoyer, the democrat and majority leader, when deficits were $160 billion, said this is fiscal child abuse. now they're $1.6 trillion and singing kay sa ra sa ra. >> sir, you've got a lot of cuts to come on and talk about cutting -- >> so that's the difference. >> that separates you from your
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leaders. i'll bet by tomorrow morning you're going to hear from eric cantor and john boehner. are you crazy for calling for cutting social security benefits? thank you for doing so. that's tough stuff. people aren't going to like hearing it. thank you, jeb hensarling. >> you can't do it without reforming. just days after president obama's state of the union, his showdown with house republicans, is the president getting his groove back?t? so is campbell's healthy request soup. low in fat and cholesterol, heart healthy levels of sodium, and taste you'll love. guy: mmmm! chef: we're kind of excited about it. announcer: campbell's healthy request. it can go from a scratchy throat in the morning. to a cough. to a full body ache... at night. new tylenol cold rapid release gels day and night
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president obama, record numbers of young people elected you in support of a clean energy future. if money is tight, why do you propose wasting billions in dirty coal and offshore drilling? we need to ramp up efficiency, wind and solar, that are all economically sustainable and create clean and safe jobs for our generation. >> well, you're not going to get any argument from me about the need to create clean energy jobs. i think this is going to be the driver of our economy over the long term. >> welcome back to "hardball." that was president obama today taking questions submitted to youtube. january's been tough for president obama. lately, he's been push back at his critics and showing the old energy he had when he came into office a year ago.
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chuck todd's white house correspondent, and eugene robinson for the "washington post." chuck, i guess one of the goals of the president was sort of to smoke out the republicans to make them come up with proposals. we just heard one. jeb hensarling said cut social security benefits. force the republicans to offer alternatives which are painful and unpleasant. >> i know that is one of the goals of the white house is try to figure out how to either force republicans to defend votes, essentially, because the first year has been all about a referendum on democratic control of government. because they've had 60 senate seats for, you know, about four or five months in the senate. that large majority in the house. and of course, they control the white house. and so it's all about a referendum on democrats. obviously the white house, with the loss of the one senate seat, number one, they do need to figure out how to find a
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republican every now and then on different -- as long as they have the 60-vote threshold that is needed to govern in the united states senate. and two, they want to figure out how to create a choice environment. because one of the biggest problems, and i remember this was a problem for the bush white house back in '04, and they changed it with how to turn a political environment that's a referendum into a choice election where voters sit there and pick "a" or "b." it's been very difficult. you know, the democrats in the house do not make these republicans do the tough votes that republicans used to make democrats do. >> you know, it's interesting. we've been through this a few times. every time republicans touch what we call the third rail, they get electrocuted. this guy kept saying, reengineer, reform, lower the benefits. >> it's going to -- >> privatize the program. that was what killed a lot of republicans over the years, including all kinds of republicans we know, have been losing their seats over that.
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>> that's what it sounds like is the old bush proposal, privatize social security. >> as a way of balancing the budget. >> to balance the budget. make it like the federal savings program, which is you know, the next step along that route certainly. and let's see how that goes over. you know, we know how it went over the last time. if that is a third rail issue. >> it's interesting, when you ask republicans, their first instint when you ask how do you balance the budget, how do you actually cut it? they can't get into the discretionary, it's too difficult. they say social security, reform it. here's president obama in his state of the union last week. let's listen to his approach. >> if the republican leadership is going to insist that 60 votes in the senate are required to do any business at all in this town, a per majority, then the responsibility to govern is yours as well. just saying no to everything may
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be good short-term politics, but it's not leadership. >> chuck, he's trying to say to the public, it's no longer okay for the republicans to go sit in the corner and let the tea party people battle it out with the democrats. because of the 60-vote rule, they can't sit on their hands or else the government won't work and start to fall. >> that seems to be the message out of this white house. when you look at friday, when he went to the house republican retreat and had that back-and-forth on various policy questions. and what you saw simply not just out of the state of the union, but out of robert gibbs today when he talked about how, hey, the american people want, he said, both parties to work to the to govern. and so they are trying to figure out how to politically put republicans in this judgment box, if you will, on governing. so that the country sees them as part of this, too. what we haven't seen out of the
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leadership, the congressional democratic side and the congressional republican side, when you look at the senate democrats, they seem to fear losing votes sometimes. this deficit commission was the first time that they brought up a vote they knew they could lose, because they seemed to want to prove a political point. that doesn't always happen. over the first year it seemed the leadership wanted to bring up votes that they only bring up votes they thought they could win, not highlight losing. i think you may see a different tactic this year. because they want to try to highlight what the republicans are doing. >> is that going to work, gene? do you think what he's doing in the last book, being energetic and engaging the republicans, is that going to help him get anything done? or just blame the republicans? >> well, will it immediately help him get anything done? i'm not sure. i think it's a better posture for him. it heartens the democratic base to see him out there fighting. i think it does have an impact. it does point out to people, well, you know, there's the
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republican party. and they can participate in this, too. or not. and if the answer is not, or if the answer is privatize social security, then that casts a whole different light on the choice people will make. >> here's president obama in baltimore at the republican meeting. we covered it friday night in a two-hour special. it was history-making for a president to go into the lion's den and take on every question that the people in that room had for him and get kind of combative. here he is. >> the only thing i don't want, and here i am listening to the american people and i don't think they want either, is for washington to continue being so washington. they didn't send us to washington to fight each other in some sort of political steel cage match. >> last question for chuck. i get part of this is charm offense, that the president's strength is personal. people like him.
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doing all this stuff, goinging to baltimore with the republicans, going to the duke-georgetown game on saturday with joe biden. isn't this all part of just reminding people we like them? >> i think this is about, look, fixing his own -- look, if he fixes his own political problems with the middle right now, right? where we've seen him lose sort of independents, or lose sort of casual washington observers, meaning folks that are fed up with what was going on in washington in '06, '08, voted for change, and aren't really pleased with what's going on now, he seems to be trying to fix himself with that part of the electorate a little bit. the question is, does fixing his own politics with independents, which looks like you want to to more partisanship, does that help the congressional democratic cause. some cases, it will, but that will be an interesting dynamic to watch, because clearly i think we're seeing the very,
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very beginnings of obama trying to right himself in time for 2012. and the question is, does doing that help -- should help a little bit on the margins for 2010, but does it help all the way, or does it sometimes undermine a little bit of what congressional democrats want to see done. or at least some of the more rank and file on the left. >> thank you very much. up next, "saturday night live" takes on how the democrats lost a match that they secretly call this one. check out the "sideshow" coming up next. i'm always in a rush. they let me charge past the counter... and choose any car in the aisle. you know how that makes me feel? like dancing? ♪ oh, yeah. go national. go like a pro. that's what's gonna happen here. ♪ because you're tasty with toasty whole grain. [ crunch ] wheat thins. toasted. whole grain. crunch.
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>> now, that election did not go my party's way. so naturally all the pundits have their different theories on what it all means. the fact is, no one knows. but there's one thing we do know. our nominee, martha coakley, was the single most incompetent candidate ever to seek public office in this nation's history. shame on you, martha coakley. how do you not know that curt schilling pitched for the red sox? martha coakley, you are a disgrace. you couldn't be dick cheney mayor of berkeley. >> you see the less than
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i had just gotten a musical system in. c-span was on, you know, mpr, here we had rock music blaring, sitting on the back porch watching the rain. and the wine kept on pouring. and they started talking about, you know, once elizabeth was gone. and the comment was made, you know, this is the way it should be. and once elizabeth is gone, this is the way it will be. >> the comment was made? welcome back to "hardball." that was former john edwards' aide and former loyalist -- former loyalist andrew young. on "20/20," describing a situation he saw between edwards and rielle hunter, edwards' girlfriend. he'll be here on wednesday. he's making a lot of allegations. after staying silent for so long, what is his goal of talking so much now and why
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didn't he speak up when john edwards was possibly going to be our president, vice president or attorney general? ann kornbluth, and richard wolf. first of all, a quick review from the start. what do we make of somebody who didn't talk when it mattered to us, and only talks now when it matters to him? ann? >> well, the whole thing is obviously very distasteful. and yet it's hard, i think, for john edwards to push back at this point. and some of the allegations, if not all of them, seem believable, given what we know about what went on in that marriage. as horrifying as it is, it has a pretty big car wreck quality to it, which is you don't want to keep looking, but you can't help it. >> what do you make of this verb form? then the comment was made, this is the way it should be. him hanging out with his girlfriend, not his wife. this is the way it should be. the comment was made. you know, this is the way it should be. how about that for a verb form?
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didn't say who make the frickin' comment. >> there seems to be so many of these collective things that were going on with what would life be like after elizabeth left. this is clearly a group enterprise, as one put it -- >> that's right in the book. >> to have these conversations. a lot of people knew what was going on. >> so you're making the point this is good reporting? this is probably what happened? >> well, young was there, right? >> that's what i'm saying. >> he's the source. this is -- >> what are you suggesting? the woodward and bernstein to know what happened? >> the statement coming out of edwards, this guy is out for the money and fame. >> here he is on abc describing how he says edwards convinced him to help him cover up getting young, him, to say he was the baby's father of this love child and getting young's family to let hunter move in with them. let's listen. >> that this is bigger than any of us. this is what we've fought for for so long. he would always bring back in
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elizabeth doesn't have long to live. i know y'all have differences with her, but i love her and i don't want her to go out this way. >> you had a chance to say no? >> i had a chance to say no. it wasn't that easy. because i didn't feel like i could say no. >> this is so murky. a guy saying he's willing to say he's the father of this love child, to use a common expression, so he could protect his boss's wife who was in very bad health. your thoughts? >> i mean, sure. look, political aides go to bat for their bosses all the time. they probably crossed ethical lines at times. but at a certain point you have to ask, was he not thinking about the country? john edwards was going to run and yes, it was potentially very upsetting for elizabeth edwards. but they were running to be president of the united states. did it not ever occur to him he might call his boss out or say, no, i'm not going to cooperate in all of this. obviously the appeal to a greater cause not the first time a politician has said it's not
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about me, it's about the people. but some of the other things that go on really cast that into doubt that that was what he was after. >> respond to this little clip. here's young on abc again describing what edwards wand him to do when they heard that hunter, the girlfriend, was pregnant. >> he asked me and fred baron to arrange for a fake paternity test. >> a fake one? >> a fake paternity test. get a doctor to fake the dna results. and he asked me and sherri to steal a diaper from the baby so that he could secretly do a d nshs a test to find out if it was indeed his child. >> fake a paternity test. and steal a diaper to try to avoid tna evidence. you've got to look back at some of his legal cases after you look at this methodology, don't you? >> this is even more sordid and squalor than the affair itself. number two, what did he to to
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anger young to make him this annoyed to make this retribution? and in some of the earlier interviews, young seems to be saying that his motive was -- he was told other candidates were doing this, too, that other people had skeletons in their closet. he believed everyone was doing this stuff. >> doing what, having children with -- >> they all had something to hide. so edwards was no worse than anyone else. how low do they have to think politics has sumpg to think everyone is stealing diapers? >> it's bad they had a case of everybody does it? >> we know he's not the first politician to cheat on his wife. and obviously this is a case of the extreme given that they had a child. but richard's point is exactly right, when did andrew young exactly turn? he talks in the interview, the clip you just played, as though he's shocked by what a creep john edwards is. this is obviously the same person he worked for for quite some time, and it was probably a
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slippery slope that he evolved into this person. i can't wait for you to interview him, chris. >> he was trying to make this guy president of the united states. he wasn't just hanging out with him. here's young making an allegation about john and elizabeth edwards' conversations. this is so strange. he's talking here now about the conversation, his boss to candidate, and his wife, after they announced that she had cancer and it had returned. >> in that press conference, it seemed like elizabeth is going to die within the week. within 12 hours they were openly talking about how her cancer prognosis was going to help them in the polls. >> okay so i actually think this book, with the exception of this piece of it, is better for elizabeth edwards. faced with what her husband was up to, with her own cancer, with a tragedy in her life, losing a son, you would understand why a woman would be behaving in this fashion. this kind of politicking about her illness is so distasteful.
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it is hard to match up, more than anything else coming out of this, hard to match up with that public image. >> i want to talk to you about something. i'm not sure. i always liked elizabeth. maybe i'm dead wrong. but thank you, ann and richard. up next, so much bluster, why are so many big name conservatives bagging -- somebody wrote this here -- bagging this tea party convention. get it? bagging, tea party?nd ut why over a million people have come home to custom roasted maxwell house. really great flavor. i love the taste. hmmm. hmmm. smooth. rich. fabulous. is it "hmmm?" hmmm. (announcer) taste why maxwell house is good to the last drop. some pharmacists only dispense prescriptions. your walgreens pharmacist also dispenses wisdom... to help you stay well. so if you're on medicare part d, schedule a free one-on-one plan review session... with your walgreens pharmacist. they'll review all your medications...
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responded to the criticism in a blog. a lot of criticism coming from people like mu shell ba-- michee bachman who don't want to go. we have been refrained from responding to many of the attacks that have been thrown at us from other tea party groups. that does not seem to be the consideration of others involved in this movement. this movement's just begun. somebody's trying to make money on it and somebody else doesn't like it. >> what happened is, they set up this group. it was a for-profit operation. they never said where the money is going, if they made any money. they were dodging what they were paying sarah palin. mother jones, we got internal documents showing she'll be making $115,000. we've got than god for that.
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and sarah palin and the dinner is going to be serving steak and lobster and the tea party people, i may disagree with them, but they tend to be activists at the heart of it, at the core of it. >> it looks like somebody is trying to make a buck off of them. >> here's sarah palin first, governor palin speaking about speaking at the convention. let's listen. >> you bet yeah i'm going to be there. there are people coming from miles away to hear that tea party message. i'm honored to get to be there. i won't personally gain from being there. the speaker's fee will go right back into the cause. i'll be able to donate it to people and to events, those things that i believe in that will help perpetuate the message, the message being, government, you have constitutional limits.
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you better start abiding by them. >> so, jay, she's going to get 100% tax write off, but she does say cleverly, i'lling able to, not that she's going to. >> maybe it will be this group, another group, or another pack that will help the other parties. but it certainly is sort of a weird disposition to say, we're going to have a nationality party meeting when the whole point is to be grass party roots saying this is what we are and this is who we are. that's where the struggle is coming from. you're not speaking for me. i'm a tea party activist. there's a lot of anger and struggling to define themselves
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here. >> i think there's a cultural aspect to this. and the sarah palin question, what she's going to do with the money, the news came out today that her pack, her sarah pack, has spent more money buying copies of her own book than giving contributions to candidates. so they can take that $100,000 to give to people in the movement -- >> we'll be right back with david. we have a new way to do it. start a movement and they will pay for the books. you're watching "hardball" only on msnbc. ameriprise financial can help. we have over ten-thousand advisors ready to listen to your dreams and help you plan for them. because the first step towards reaching what you want is reaching the person who can help you get there. our advisors. your dreams. more within reach.
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this weekend, as i mentioned earlier in the program, president obama and vice president biden went to the gorge town duke basketball game here in georgetown. here's commentary from the president while he explains a failed, under the basket shot back in 2008. >> well, we showed this once, if you'd like to see it again. that's heartbreak right there. >> do you have any problems going to -- >> i went to the republican house caucus to prove that i could go to my right once in a while. but there's no doubt that i have a stronger left hand.
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>> there's an interesting metaphor, jay. what do you think of that? he was quick to switch from basketball to politics. >> clearly we had two dozen debates during the primary season. remember what a bad debater he started out on the season. hillary did them a really good turn and it brought out the best in the president. and he was coming out on top. >> so it's hillary. some of these people are amazing. hillary did it again. what a great saturday it was for hillary clinton. oh, she made that -- i'm just kidding. >> but even before that saturday, it was a great friday for barack obama. when he went before the house gop and they had the q and a, that left me, to some degree, breathless. >> what are your thoughts on that? that friday night performance,
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we thought it was so important. what did you make of it? >> i thought it was great. and there was parliament and i wish we had that more in the united states and you really saw a great exchange of ideas and a platform from both parties to express what they felt and what they wanted to do and please, more, more. >> i think in the next couple of days there will be pressure being put on the white house and the gop to do more of these. i really think it resonated with people on the left and the right, people who twitter, people who don't. and i think i would be surprised if you see some movement soon for people to say, hey, let's have our own version of question time here. >> what was that story, the great story -- the guys tied down by all of the midgets, did you see that? >> grabbing them and tieing them down.
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it doesn't seem like he was struggling to get up and the big giant. what did you make of that dimension? >> he wasn't trying too hard not to squash them. he definitely had some good zingers in there. >> any way, thank you very much, david corn, mother joans. congratulations. sarah palin said she's going to put to good causes for a speech this weekend at a in nashville. thank you for joining us. join us tomorrow night for more hardball. right now it's time for "the ed show" with ed schultz. good evening, americans, and welcome to "the ed show" from new york. hitting my hot buttons, top of the show, republicans. whatever happened to this tough talking party you used to have about bring it on, dead or alive? and now the administration is kind of cowering. it looks like the administration is going to cave to republican critics. it's probably going to move the terror trial out of new york city, maybe even out of federal
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court. i'll ask congressman weiner about that. the president spents half an hour debating with the republicans on friday only to get sandbagged on the famous talking show on monday. i think it's time for the president to get the ax out and cut the olive tree down. plus, sarah palin has just inserted herself into the fight over the controversial super bowl ad. details coming up in my playbook. but, first, there's all of this rhetoric about this trial in new york city and we just can't have it here. why not? the terrorists are allowing to watch us push aside and we're allowing them to win. we're letting the terrorist dictate the american judicial process because we're scared again. the white house has not announced anything officially but it may be movinged it terror trial out of


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